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IWI Carmel and PSA H&R DOE Model 635

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Anyone have any experience with the Carmel? I'm trying to decide if it's worth eating ramen for a month or two to get one of the blems from PSA for $1k. I know it's worth it to me, I just don't know if my wife would be down for that.

It's a toss-up between that and the H&R DOE model sub-gun clone. That thing is freakin' sexy! But it's $1200. I'm not sure it's that sexy. I'll wait for a blem if I decide to go that route.


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Until you say psa guns aren't good in a review and they throw a tantrum and block you from buying

Your specific gun might not have been great. That doesn't mean all their guns are bad. I've had (and still have} several that work just fine for my needs. I've had maybe one QC issue with one of their uppers (a misaligned gas tube) out of maybe a dozen of their guns I've bought. I had one order with missing items. Aside from the customer service person asking me to take a picture of the missing item every issue was resolved promptly.
 
Your specific gun might not have been great. That doesn't mean all their guns are bad. I've had (and still have} several that work just fine for my needs. I've had maybe one QC issue with one of their uppers (a misaligned gas tube) out of maybe a dozen of their guns I've bought. I had one order with missing items. Aside from the customer service person asking me to take a picture of the missing item every issue was resolved promptly.
I dont use psa. Referring to a few youtubers who got shit guns. Said the guns sucked, and were blacklisted (yes, more than 1). Its laughable to only "allow" good reviews.

Edit: forgot about the one psa item ive used. An old bcg that had the coating peel off in about 200 rounds. Im very sure psa would have warrantied it, but i never attempted.
 
I dont use psa. Referring to a few youtubers who got shit guns. Said the guns sucked, and were blacklisted (yes, more than 1). Its laughable to only "allow" good reviews.

Edit: forgot about the one psa item ive used. An old bcg that had the coating peel off in about 200 rounds. Im very sure psa would have warrantied it, but i never attempted.
It’s best practice to believe everything these YouTubers say and do…
Iv found that most if not all create some sore of drama just for clicks.
those Youtubers run these cheaper brands into the ground and when they fell, they say see it’s not reliable however, those same people will not take a namebrand rifle and run it into the ground or put it through the same hoops. Example- Garand thumb and T rex arms, both ran psa into the ground however they will not touch a colt, or any other high end brand.
 
It’s best practice to believe everything these YouTubers say and do…
Iv found that most if not all create some sore of drama just for clicks.
those Youtubers run these cheaper brands into the ground and when they fell, they say see it’s not reliable however, those same people will not take a namebrand rifle and run it into the ground or put it through the same hoops. Example- Garand thumb and T rex arms, both ran psa into the ground however they will not touch a colt, or any other high end brand.
I believe them more than i believe psa makes a good weapon. Both garand thumb and trex arms are goofballs. They both also shoot much "higher end" guns than... colt.


 
These are the two videos I figured you were talking about. You still have to question the narrative they will only torture test the low in brands not the high-end brands. One sided. You can’t say one brand is better than another without doing your scientific testing
 
These are the two videos I figured you were talking about. You still have to question the narrative they will only torture test the low in brands not the high-end brands. One sided. You can’t say one brand is better than another without doing your scientific testing

You can say it, it just doesn't mean anything.

PSA likely sells far more AR-type rifles than any other mfg'r. People buy them because they work just fine for the majority of the people who want an AR for recreational type shooting. Will there be bad ones? Of course. Will they take care of it? They do in my experience. Saying an entire brand is junk based on a few anecdotal cases is just plain silly in my opinion.

PSA doesn't sell as many guns as they do because they all suck.
 
You can say it, it just doesn't mean anything.

PSA likely sells far more AR-type rifles than any other mfg'r. People buy them because they work just fine for the majority of the people who want an AR for recreational type shooting. Will there be bad ones? Of course. Will they take care of it? They do in my experience. Saying an entire brand is junk based on a few anecdotal cases is just plain silly in my opinion.

PSA doesn't sell as many guns as they do because they all suck.
I agree.
I guess what I would like to see is the same torture test done on the high end weapons to see what they are capable of. For now we know what psa is capable of.
 
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