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This is from Bartlein Barrels web site. Using paste may not be the recommended procedure of a given barrel manufacturer. I don’t think Krieger recommends paste either.
Although, JP Enterprise ships its rifles with a bore paste cleaner. Both of mine came with it. I guess the question comes down to who do you believe and will it possibly void my barrel warranty? A good after market barrel runs $450, times 2 for gunsmithing. Knowing they are perishable commodities I would be upset if I ruined it through ignorance or negligence in the cleaning process.
“We do not recommend using most paste type cleaners. These can be aggressive and like lapping etc… and if you don’t remove all of the paste before shooting you might as well have sand in the bore when the first round goes down it. It will damage the barrel. Also using paste type cleaners can keep polishing to the point and if over used will actually remove/change/effect the bore dimensions. The lands will take the most beating/wear to them. There are concerns that you can make the barrel too smooth and this also leads to copper fouling issues. Once something like this happens to the barrel it is usually damaged beyond the point it can be saved. Also using a past type cleaner with a brush is guaranteed damage to the bore. Paste cleaners like Iosso, Witch’s Brew, KG2 etc….and we’ve seen the damaged caused with these.”
Although, JP Enterprise ships its rifles with a bore paste cleaner. Both of mine came with it. I guess the question comes down to who do you believe and will it possibly void my barrel warranty? A good after market barrel runs $450, times 2 for gunsmithing. Knowing they are perishable commodities I would be upset if I ruined it through ignorance or negligence in the cleaning process.
“We do not recommend using most paste type cleaners. These can be aggressive and like lapping etc… and if you don’t remove all of the paste before shooting you might as well have sand in the bore when the first round goes down it. It will damage the barrel. Also using paste type cleaners can keep polishing to the point and if over used will actually remove/change/effect the bore dimensions. The lands will take the most beating/wear to them. There are concerns that you can make the barrel too smooth and this also leads to copper fouling issues. Once something like this happens to the barrel it is usually damaged beyond the point it can be saved. Also using a past type cleaner with a brush is guaranteed damage to the bore. Paste cleaners like Iosso, Witch’s Brew, KG2 etc….and we’ve seen the damaged caused with these.”
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I don’t sweat what companies recommend or warn about regarding their barrels. Those warnings are geared towards the untrained and ignorant who mimic how to do things like clean a barrel and end up ruining their stuff because they don’t know what they’re doing. “The snipers use it so must I”…in my douchiest flabby nerd voice.
I have never heard of copper fouling issues because of a polished bore. It’s always been because a rougher or unbroken in bore, but whatever.
In the military long range precision shooting school I graduated from, we were trained to use bore paste, namely JB Bore Paste, during our cleaning process. The cleaning products issued were Shooters Choice bore solvent, Sweet’s 7.62 copper solvent, and JB Bore Paste. Bore polish was not used at every cleaning either. Deep clean, zero shifts, large round count shooting sessions, etc. Usually, if shooting say 500 rounds in a training session, we’d use polish after the end of the session. We’d clean each day but polish end of week or end of session, or something.
This could probably move to the rifle cleaning thread.
I have never heard of copper fouling issues because of a polished bore. It’s always been because a rougher or unbroken in bore, but whatever.
In the military long range precision shooting school I graduated from, we were trained to use bore paste, namely JB Bore Paste, during our cleaning process. The cleaning products issued were Shooters Choice bore solvent, Sweet’s 7.62 copper solvent, and JB Bore Paste. Bore polish was not used at every cleaning either. Deep clean, zero shifts, large round count shooting sessions, etc. Usually, if shooting say 500 rounds in a training session, we’d use polish after the end of the session. We’d clean each day but polish end of week or end of session, or something.
This could probably move to the rifle cleaning thread.
I use Bore Tech products. It’s what George at GA Precision recommended when he built my rifle and I’ve been using it ever since. I figured the paste would also act like a lapping compound and my barrel was hand lapped at Bartlein and didn’t need it.
That would have to change with latitude and altitude if you were being persnickety wouldn’t it? Since I zero at ten and go all the way out to ninety, that’s what my range has, I would probably need to do some maffs.
If you’re worried about it, you will need your Latitude/Longitude and azimuth of fire. You’ll also need a ballistic salver to plug this info into. Applied Ballistic has an app you can purchase for your phone or you can get range finders and Kestrel weather meters with AB on them
After that, when you look at your target groupings you’ll need to decide, was it me, ammo, ballistic coefficient, rifle, wind, incorrect ballistic data, coriolis…..good luck
After that, when you look at your target groupings you’ll need to decide, was it me, ammo, ballistic coefficient, rifle, wind, incorrect ballistic data, coriolis…..good luck
