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45/70 "balistic tip" vs hardcast
- Thread starter Ndenway
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I’m not keen on the tipped ammo from Hornady, whether it’s plastic or rubber. I have found that they prematurely expand before they really penetrate and don’t have very good cavitation. Jacketed soft point for my 444 and Bergers and Game Kings wreck em. So I don’t have anymore Hornady tipped shit except ELDs…in 6.5 they’re super accurate and since I’m killing paper, I don’t have to worry about whether they’re effective or not.
The only exception I have to above is Critical Duty 9mm.
The only exception I have to above is Critical Duty 9mm.
Well, I use the flex tip in my SOCOM. I run them out around 1800 fps. I have shot some pretty big pigs in the 250-300# range and I have never had one stay inside a pig to recover it. I did find the red flex tip one time, but never a bullet. I shot one recently that was 278# on the scale. It went through both shoulders, destroyed the heart and lungs the boar shield and a lot of meat. I can't say that it didn't penetrate. Now maybe it didn't go as deep in the mud on the other side of the pig as say a hard cast would of, but I wasn't trying to kill mud. 
I shot a 236# front on in the chest and that flex tip tore all the way through that guy and destroyed its left rear hind quarter on the way out.
I have heard that if you push them too fast they do tend to fragment too early.
I shot a 236# front on in the chest and that flex tip tore all the way through that guy and destroyed its left rear hind quarter on the way out.
I have heard that if you push them too fast they do tend to fragment too early.
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I've only used 140gr .284 and 165gr & 180gr .308s nosler balistic tips and they do blow open quick in flesh & bone.
Use the hornaday vmax 50gr .224 & 87gr .243, same deal, they blow up/fragment.
Never used any of the plastic or rubber tipped bullets in 45/70.
have used a couple of rounds out of a box factory winchester 300gr hp that was given to me and both left gigantic exit holes, one was at approx 30yrds & other approx 70yrds, bone was hit.
I went back to just using the 405gr & 425gr gc wheel weight bullets I cast, they leave a thumb size exit hole, bit bigger if bone is hit, but don't have to grind a bunch of meat into burger or jerky chunks like did when used the jacketed 300gr hp both times.
Use the hornaday vmax 50gr .224 & 87gr .243, same deal, they blow up/fragment.
Never used any of the plastic or rubber tipped bullets in 45/70.
have used a couple of rounds out of a box factory winchester 300gr hp that was given to me and both left gigantic exit holes, one was at approx 30yrds & other approx 70yrds, bone was hit.
I went back to just using the 405gr & 425gr gc wheel weight bullets I cast, they leave a thumb size exit hole, bit bigger if bone is hit, but don't have to grind a bunch of meat into burger or jerky chunks like did when used the jacketed 300gr hp both times.
Yes, the Winchester bullets were very frangible. If you pushed them much over original 45-70 velocities the CAME APART! Only bullet in 45 cal that I ever kept inside a pig. Quit them the next day.
I did talk with a ballistics guy for the now despised big red H, and he confirmed that when you push the bigger flex tips much over 2000 they tend to fragment too soon as Jevapa stated. He also kinda hinted that the reason "factory" 444 and 4570 are loaded up to the velocities they are is two fold.... To sell the ballistic path, and for the fact most are shooting smaller critters with it, like deer , Elk, and black bear, but you didn't hear that from me! If cut I bleed Federal Black and Gold....... I get a buck each time I say that!
I did talk with a ballistics guy for the now despised big red H, and he confirmed that when you push the bigger flex tips much over 2000 they tend to fragment too soon as Jevapa stated. He also kinda hinted that the reason "factory" 444 and 4570 are loaded up to the velocities they are is two fold.... To sell the ballistic path, and for the fact most are shooting smaller critters with it, like deer , Elk, and black bear, but you didn't hear that from me! If cut I bleed Federal Black and Gold.
...... I get a buck each time I say that!
