Using a Mil reticle (or MOA if you're a weirdo)

[JEVapa]

This might be more appropriate for the precision shooting forum, or not.
Here's a slide on using a TMR reticle. The TMR is the step between a Mildot and a milgrid reticle. Principle for use are the same for an MOA based reticle just different. Remember that mils and MOA are an angular measurement and not linear. Don't mix inches with Mil/MOA.

This is not rocket surgery nor is it futuristic voodoo witchdoctor shit. It’s 20th century tech. This has been done like this by shooters and the military since more than 30 years ago; as long as there's been a mildot reticle for a rifle. If you don't have a Kestrel or a ballistic app then figure it out on your PC/Mac...there are ballistic programs all over the internet. If you are reading this, you have the capability to do it.
You need your cartridge/projectile cal, MV, BC, and output in Mils (or MOA if there's something wrong with you). Plug your cartridge data in the solver, and then record the holds for each range you want, then make a little card and tape it to your gun. Easy peasy.

This applies to all scopes FFP or SFP that have a "rangefinding" reticle with Mils or MOA in dots, hashes/stadia, or grid. SFP keep on max mag. FFP can be on any mag.
Christmas tree reticles are usually ballistic reticles and don't count here (they're usually only good to 400-500m max and probably a different discussion).

 

[Beautiful Mulberry]

Well said.
Im one of the retards. Everything i have is in moa because my first purchase was an moa. Probably because I didn’t know any better. Moa vs mills since i had moa and didn’t know anyone personally at the time who had or used mills I figured i would learn everything i could with what i had. After reading what you put out over mills and doing my own research mills seems to be a little easier to use. Right now i have a vortex diamondback 4-16 x 44 & vortex diamondback 6-24 x 50. Both have EBR 2C reticle. I find myself using the 4-16 x 44 more often. When i upgrade i think I’ll get the vortex venom 3-15 x 44 with the EBR 7C reticle in mills.

 

[Kingfish]

Having used MOA most of my life, I switched over to Mils a few years ago on all my new scopes and all my future scopes will be in Mils. As a side benefit I frequently find scopes that are on sale or closeout that Mil reticules tend to be a little cheaper that their MOA counterpart. I assume it is just due to sales volume/popularity of one over the other.

 

[ClintC]

All of my scopes are MOA but one. I’m going to slowly start the switch to MIL.

 

[CS Boomis]

I’ve been doing the slow rollover to mils for several years now. I have a few rifles that were built in my youth or my dad’s that will remain what they are as three shots per year MOA hunting rifles. Anything from here on out is mil only. I don’t think there are any more walnut and ebony builds over the horizon.

 

[Kwaynem]

I don’t shoot over 400 yards when hunting it’s interesting but I’ll stick to MOA I don’t even use the turrets other than sighting in

 

[BobbyV]

I've got a mixed bag of scopes. A couple MIL, several MOA and the rest don't even have an adjustable turret for any reason other than sighting in.

I'd like to get a couple of bolt actions setup for long-range and go from there. My problem is that I'll also need to pick a specific make and type of ammo and stick with it instead of the heinz 57 hodge-podge of ammo I have now.

 

[Kingfish]

This might be more appropriate for the precision shooting forum, or not.
Here's a slide on using a TMR reticle. The TMR is the step between a Mildot and a milgrid reticle. Principle for use are the same for an MOA based reticle just different. Remember that mils and MOA are an angular measurement and not linear. Don't mix inches with Mil/MOA.

This is not rocket surgery nor is it futuristic voodoo witchdoctor shit. It’s 20th century tech. This has been done like this by shooters and the military since more than 30 years ago; as long as there's been a mildot reticle for a rifle. If you don't have a Kestrel or a ballistic app then figure it out on your PC/Mac...there are ballistic programs all over the internet. If you are reading this, you have the capability to do it.
You need your cartridge/projectile cal, MV, BC, and output in Mils (or MOA if there's something wrong with you). Plug your cartridge data in the solver, and then record the holds for each range you want, then make a little card and tape it to your gun. Easy peasy.

This applies to all scopes FFP or SFP that have a "rangefinding" reticle with Mils or MOA in dots, hashes/stadia, or grid. SFP keep on max mag. FFP can be on any mag.
Christmas tree reticles are usually ballistic reticles and don't count here (they're usually only good to 400-500m max and probably a different discussion).

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What is your preference in a 20x + power scope, F1 or F2?

 

[JEVapa]

This thread isn’t about what scopes y’all may or may not have. It’s about how to use your reticle whether it’s Mil or MOA based.

 

[Kwaynem]

It’s all in metric I can’t use it or maybe I don’t want to lol

 

[JEVapa]

No, it isnt

 

[JCann]

1mil at a 100 yards is 3.6” and 36” at 1,000 yards. 1/10mil at 100 yards is 0.36” and 3.6” at a 1,000 yards. It’s all base 10 numbers which is easier to work with than MOA where 1MOA is 1.047” at 100 yards and 10.47” at a 1,000 yards

 

[Kwaynem]

I’m sure you guys use that when shooting at those distances but I don’t ever shoot over 3 or 4 hundred yards and if I do shoot that far I don’t mess with my turrets I just use the reticle built into my vortex but if I ever did get into long range shooting I’m sure it would be a big help

 

[JEVapa]

Again, this thread was to show how to use a mil or MOA based reticle for holds with a range card one can make without zooming, dialing, or any other actions. The picture is an example using a standard milling reticle with the standard data for MK262 77gr. It can be done with any round, any gun, any velocity, with some type of milling or MOA reticle. It doesn’t matter range or if you’re a sniper or not.

 

[CS Boomis]

1mil at a 100 yards is 3.6” and 36” at 1,000 yards. 1/10mil at 100 yards is 0.36” and 3.6” at a 1,000 yards. It’s all base 10 numbers which is easier to work with than MOA where 1MOA is 1.047” at 100 yards and 10.47” at a 1,000 yards

That’s what drew me to Mils, simple simple math.

 

[ClintC]

It’s all in metric I can’t use it or maybe I don’t want to lol

I was the same way. But when it comes to dialing it’s easier to count dimes then quarters. I’m my opinion dial for elevation and hold for wind.

 

[Kwaynem]

If I lived down south where you all have the opportunity to shoot long range I would definitely try it

 

[KurtM]

Is a Trjicon TA-11 an MOA or a Mil scope?

 

[CS Boomis]

Is a Trjicon TA-11 an MOA or a Mil scope?

All scopes are optics, but not all optics are scopes. Ya see? To answer your question, they have to be mil, dirty civilians can’t afford them.

 

[KurtM]

They are much more affordable than a Night Force, or Vortex. They are a 3.5X single power scope with a BC calibrated for a 55 gr 223 out of a 20" barrel (for the doughnut reticle) out to 800 meters or so. (16" barrel for the Chevron reticle). If you want one for 77 gr ammo, just use the TA-11 with the 308 reticle.